September 8, 2007

  • An Image of the Beast or Just Another Guy?

    I have been interested in end time prophecy like most folks but also as
    many others have considered that there is so much confusion about it
    that its really hard to tell what’s true and what’s not. Yet we are
    told by Christ in Matthew 24 to be looking for His coming. Anyway, I’m
    scratching my head right now on something Bee and I saw this morning.
    What I am about to relate I offer to you to consider and comment on
    since I’d like a few more “eyes” and “minds” considering the
    possibilities of what I am thinking.

    As we all should know by now, Osama Bin Laden has spoken again telling
    the world to convert to Islam. Yet as I read the news article over Bee’s shoulder and saw the two pictures of Bin Laden, an old one and
    the new one, in that article, I told her to capture the photos on the
    computer and superimpose them with our graphics program to see how much
    difference we could spot since my eye caught something that I couldn’t
    really identify immediately.


    (I would give credit to someone for these pictures but it wasn't obviously labeled in a place I know about.)
    The top row goes  left to right and the bottom row goes right to left. Both pictures of both rows on the left
    is the 100% photo of the respective people.

    We found out some pretty interesting things. This most recent photo
    seems to show a man with a smaller “hat size” i.e. smaller head around
    the turban than the previous one several years ago i.e. a more
    triangular shaped face for the earlier picture. In fact, the new guy’s face is visibly narrower
    and less triangular than the previous picture. Also, I noticed a
    drooping eyelid on the man’s right side (left one as we would look at
    it) and while the older picture is a bit fuzzy, the right eyelid isn’t
    drooping.  If one was drooping, it would be the left one. While one
    might obtain a drooping eyelid from a stroke, its difficult to alter
    the size and shape of one’s skull. Even the mouth seems different but
    that is so hard to tell given the ability for the mouth to change its
    shape. Now there even seems to be a difference in the length of his
    nose from the eyebrow to the tip of the nose. This sure does look like the same stuff of the Saddam "doubles".

    Folks, I have a strong suspicion this “new” man is not Bin Laden or the
    old one was not or both are not. So this post is a call for folks to
    take a look at this and see if its so. Line up the shoulders and the
    nose and try it. We used a 10% transparency transition step from one
    picture to the other.

    Given this, I remembered Daniel 7:8 which says…


    I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one,
    coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked
    out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a
    man
    , and a mouth speaking pompous words.
      Daniel 7:8 (NASB)

    The important physical features noted here was “the eyes of a man” and
    a “mouth” speaking pompous words. Almost as if it were speaking of a
    video of a man’s head.

    Also, I remembered Revelation 13:3


    I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was
    healed And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 
      
    Revelation 13:3 (NASB)

    How could it be that a man could appear to be slain yet be alive?
    Considering that the “man of sin” to come is a deceiver, then it might
    be possible that the real Bin Laden is really dead and we are seeing a
    “double”. It becomes even more interesting that the Bible’s wording in
    Revelation about an accomplice to the first Beast who would…


    He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence And
    he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first
    beast, whose fatal wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that
    he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence
    of men
    . And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the
    signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,
    telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who
    had the wound of the sword and has come to life
    .  And it was given to
    him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the
    beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of
    the beast to be killed
    .
    Revelation 13:12-15 (NASB)

    There would be an “image” made of the Beast by this accomplice who
    tells others to perform the “image-making”.  For us these days,
    photographs and television handles this quite well. But notice that the
    accomplice can make “fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the
    presence of men”. Now remember that these folks are “deceivers” so this
    isn’t really going to be a miracle, its going to be a “false wonder”.
    Could this “fire” be nuclear weapons? It would be “fire coming down
    from heaven to the earth in the presence of men” or something very much
    like it. Could this be a manifestation of someone called an
    “abomination of desolation” noting this person’s bent toward
    destruction? This would bring in another fellow that we know about
    who’s making such materials now who has already told us his hatred for
    Israel (Ahmadinejad) who has done everything but claim himself a
    prophet that comes before the Islamic “savior”, the Mahdi, who is
    supposed to look like everything a student of Christ’s Second Coming
    and end time prophecy would recognize as the Antichrist.

    Now if we look at II Thessalonians 2, we learn a bit more about this
    Beast and perhaps something of his accomplice as well since they work
    together.


    Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the
    apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son
    of destruction
    , who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called
    god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of
    God, displaying himself as being God.
    II Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NASB)

    While this hasn’t been completely fulfilled, keep an eye out for this.
    Yet we could safely say that he is calling on everyone to worship
    Allah, who when carefully considered when reading the Koran, isn’t like
    the God of Israel and this book teaches that Jesus didn’t die for the
    sins of man, rejecting the Christ being the Son of God, i.e.
    anti-christ.


    And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be
    revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he
    who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then
    that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the
    breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His
    coming
    ; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of
    Sata
    n, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the
    deception of wickedness
    for those who perish, because they did not
    receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God
    will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what
    is false
    , in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the
    truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
    II Thessalonians 2:6-12 (NASB)

    There is so much here that describes the character of the activity of
    the Beast and his appearance and what happens to those who have not
    received the love of the truth so as to be saved i.e. accepting Christ
    as savior and Lord. Note that the activity comes with deception and has
    the characteristics of Satan’s activity, performing signs and wonders
    that are patently false but still deceive. It doesn’t take much to
    remember the glee that was expressed in those videos of those with Bin
    Laden in those days after September 11, 2001. Is this the taking
    pleasure in the wickedness of murdering thousands of innocent people?
    Could the deluding influence be the very message that Bin Laden has
    again told the world, to convert to Islam?

    Even if we went back and considered Daniel 2 and Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream
    and its interpretation that there would be a “feet and toes” aspect
    (perhaps a “kingdom”) that would arise after the fourth empire that we
    know through history to be Rome.


    "In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly
    of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the
    toughness of iron
    , inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay.
    As the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of pottery, so
    some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle
    . And
    in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with
    one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one
    another
    , even as iron does not combine with pottery.”
      Daniel 2:41-43
    (NASB)

    From the rest of the context, we see that each of these “kingdoms” are
    worldwide in nature. This final one before, “the stone made without
    hands” crushes this final kingdom will be:

    1. A divided kingdom, some of it strong and tough like iron, some of it weak and brittle like pottery.
    2. This kingdom will be mingled throughout the world although its
    people will not adhere to the nations that they will live in and be
    committed to their own kingdom instead.

    Could this be a description of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden’s organization of death scattered all over the world?

    There would seem to be considerably more that could be brought to bear
    here especially in light of the hatred of this person and his
    accomplice for Israel and radical Islam’s expectations of the soon
    coming of this “Mahdi” who unbelievably has a description very closely
    resembling the “Beast” (Antichrist) of the Bible.

    Even the recent digging on the Temple Mount would suggest that Islam
    believes it has the right to do whatever it wants on that site and
    rejects any notion of a former Temple of the God of Israel, could be
    thought of as an abomination that “desolates” in yet another light.

    Of course, there are probably a million and one things I left out or
    did not consider with regards to this matter in such a short time but
    this is only an observation that seem to connect with a lot of things
    that are going on these days and I’d be just as pleased to have it
    affirmed or not since I’m not tied to the concept either way. It just
    seems too compelling to ignore even if this were a “prototype” of
    something to come. So I bring it to you for comment.  Mr.Vee

    BTW... could this be two of the seven "heads" spoken of in Revelation 13:1?

Comments (11)

  • As I understood it, the idea behind the "resurrection" of the horn was so that the Anti-Christ (the horn) would appear to have done the same thing as Christ -- risen from the dead (since he falsely represents Christ in the Unholy Trinity).

    I also thought that for the first few years the Anti-Christ was supposed to be peaceful (which Al-Quaeda has not been at all) before going "all out." If you take the 3.5 years as literal, then wouldn't that put us mid-trib right now (I ask because I thought you said you believed in pre-trib, which would put us not here right now, right?). I thought the Anti-Christ was supposed to take over for 3.5 years, we have the Two Witnesses come (which I've not seen nor heard of), then they get killed and the Anti-Christ says "Christianity is actually bad!" instead of pretending it's okay with him. We also have yet to see any sort of large-scale marking of people, either.

    Plus I haven't seen many sign or wonders from the False Prophet yet, and they're supposed to surface around the same time, too (I thought).

    I mean I believe we're coming closer, but I don't think any of the "major players" have surfaced yet. The sage does seem to be getting set, though. As far as "nukes" being the fire from heaven, I suppose I could see it somewhat representing that, but I think it will be much more literal than that. I think we will see a false resurrection, real fire from heaven, and a lot more of the literal-ness to the dream than imaginable.

    As to if it's some of the heads, I can't say I'm too sure. I think those heads are supposed to appear after several of the scrolls and trumpets have been unleashed (if I remember right), and I have yet to see any of those.

    Many of the pieces are certainly there, but just as many of the pieces which MUST be there in some form have yet to appear, to me. So I guess because of that I don't think we're there yet. I don't think any of the scrolls or prophecies of much of anything can even START to happen until the Temple is rebuilt (though again, I could be way off).

    Only time will tell, I suppose.

    God bless,
    ~Scott

  • Interesting thoughts...thanks for sharing. I will have to look into this more.

  • Hi, j_trune,

    You’re welcome. I just saw this and it just struck me funny and so I posted it. I think there’s a lot here and could be a lot of nothing but was wondering if there were any interesting thoughts out there. Blessings, Mr.Vee

  • Hi, GM,

    Thanks for stopping by! That’s exactly the kind of input I was looking for.
    I am certainly not being dogmatic here on this post. It’s a “brainstorming” post.
    All that was posted assumed that things weren’t quite ready yet but just how far away?
    I’ll comment more after more folks have had a chance to comment. Blessings, Mr.Vee

  • I totally agree though -- it is ALWAYS good to keep watch, for you never know when the tides may begin to turn! I'm thankful people like you are making sure to watch, when people like me are buried in homework and not set in good patterns of watching as closely you may be.

    And consider yourself on the list! None shall ever be denied who wish to know and see.

    God bless,
    ~Scott

  • in looking at the photo's....I think it is more likely that the bin laden you are seeing now, may be a post stroke bin laden??? Nose shape into the forehead are the same, but he is very thin and because he looked so bad, they used dye on his beard and hair to make him look more vital. He looks like a propped up bin laden to me! (not that others can't terrorize just as badly in his name) I'm with Scott on what I think about the horn, although I think we are getting close, major players may be here, but not revealed...anyway, that is just my own understanding and we know that is worth ...who knows what will come to pass? GOD!
    Watching, all the same!

  • When I saw the tape of this man, I didn't think it was Bin Laden and I still don't think so. I think Bin Laden is dead. Over the time that he has been missing stories of his sightings have come out and it was said that he had been very sick and had lost a lot of weight. I think this was setting us up to see another man. Also I was watching Perry Stone the other day and he said his sources in Israel told him that Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction and that the weapons were sent into Iran and Syria in 40 truckloads before they found Saddam. He said he had enough neuclear weapons to blow the world up 3 times over. He believes this is why Iran's president was talking like he has the power to make things happen. He said that he couldn't say much more but usually Perry Stone's sources are right on the money. Though it's rumor it's something to think about. I am watching Iran right now because it's President is more evil than Saddam ever was. It is his aim to convert the whole world to Islam and if he has nukes he is going to peep his whole card soon. But what you are saying is food for thought. Islam does believe that they have the power to do what they want and the power of belief will take you a long was. According to the scripture Damascus will become a heap. I believe at this point if they have nukes, trying to use them will backfire.

  • Okay. This is all very interesting. I've heard alternative ideas about the anti-christ which are equally compelling, but I've certainly given the whole Islamic thing a lot of thought recently. There's certainly enough evidence to seriously consider this idea.

  • Hi, All…

    Thanks everyone for the comments… I love the way that each of you had a different perspective on the matter yet it all fits together.

    GM – Thanks again. Since this was a “thought-piece”, I’m going to do what I do for myself when I study these matters. Taking the idea of there being peace before the antichrist comes, what would make that a necessity? Would an assumption like this have good grounds? What I’ve found is that it depends on where one wants to draw the line on when Daniel’s 70th week begins. If its Revelation 4:1, then maybe. If its Revelation 6:1 or later, maybe not. Even these assumptions would need “proving” to help us have a real basis for confidence in them. The stable time marker in all of Revelation is the Second Coming since all times in there are in relation to that point. For example, 3 ½ years before Christ’s Second Coming, the Beast is given authority for 42 months to act. Before this, there seems to be another 3 ½ years of the two witnesses whom the Beast kills giving us enough time to encompass Daniel’s 70th week.

    MTNesting – Good catch. Yes, Bee and I discussed that the drooping eyelid could be a result of a stroke. Keep watching!

    ForHisGlory2 – Actually, I saw that video segment when it was first released. I even saw the second plane (real time) hit the tower on 9-11 on TV. Funny thing, we almost never have the TV on. On that morning, the only reason the TV was on was there was an educational program on satellite TV out of BJU that our kids were going to watch and we had just turned it on and hadn’t switched over to satellite. When I saw that video, I heard Bin Ladin and his friends take joy in their wickedness.

    Angel45 – Welcome! I feel like a celebrity has come. You and Bee go back a ways. On Bin Laden, at a minimum I think he’s has gotten himself some doubles like Saddam had. He could be dead and that would take a lot of wind out of the sails of Al Qaeda. Yet when the antichrist comes he is supposed to have come alive after a fatal head wound. I think the intelligence reports on the WMDs were correct and its silly to think that these folks weren’t planning to annihilate Israel since they have said so in so many words. Considering this: why would Islam think it could take over the world if it didn’t have nuclear weapons? Don’t we see enough news photos on “Islam will dominate”? How would they do that in these times?

    FKIProfessor – Thanks for weighing in. Yes, I’ve heard a multitude of those as well and this post isn’t going to make any great cases for establishing any in any sort of comprehensive way. Over time, I’ve been studying end time prophecy from a very literal viewpoint… i.e. whatever the Bible says, that’s the way it is, understood or not. I’ve also recently studied some of the Koran, Islamic Eschatology, etc. to see if there is anything that correlates. To put it bluntly, it fits almost too well… there’s barely a detail missing and I am just assuming that since I haven’t found any disparity yet. It is just like God had this religion in mind when He prophesied what He did about the negative aspects of the end times and antichrist.

    All - the whole matter of the pictures being compared is symbolic to us making sure that our assumptions are correct. They may seem ok until we look closely and then we see the differences... just like the photos of the supposed "bin Ladens". Mr.Vee

  • Yes, Mr. Vee, Bee and I go back a long way and I love her, she's my buddy. We seem to think a lot in the same areas. I see that you two keep your heads together. Thank you for being such a prophecy watcher, we need to be watching the times very closely and keep looking up. I believe that the anti-christ is here now and keeping an eye on these suspicious characters with their speeches for a one world religion is what the anti-christ will do. The USA is leaning more toward pagan religions than it ever has. I heard on the news the other week that the Hindus had built one of the largest temples in the south in Georgia about 150 miles from me. I have to say that it was an awesome looking spectacle and they had this huge parade and dedication. They said that one of the pillars has 2500 man hours in it. I shuddered at the site of it. They said they are happy to have such a beautiful temple for their gods. Just goes to show that the spirit of the anti-christ is making its mark on the world. Thanks for coming by and I will be keeping up with you.

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